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Old 06-08-2012, 07:43 PM
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Exclamation Here's that shocking anonymous I&F Adjudication Panel report

See http://www.actuary21c.com/?p=2661


In a nutshell:

Actuaries C and D (plus two non actuaries) on an Institute and Faculty of Actuaries Adjudication Panel dismiss actuary X's complaint and make derogatory remarks about X in a concluding paragraph, without providing any supporting evidence.

X appeals to the Independent Examiner to review the case, complaining about the concluding paragraph.

The Independent Examiner reaffirms that X's complaint should have been dismissed, but criticises the Panel for the remarks in their concluding paragraph, making it clear that in his/her view the paragraph has no evidence for it and should be removed.

C and D and the non actuary panel members refuse to remove the paragraph.

X makes a professional complaint about C and D (but not the non actuary panel members since no information is made available about which professional body, if any, they belong to), on the grounds that they made derogatory remarks without evidence, and persisted in their remarks despite being told by X and the Independent Examiner that they had produced no evidence to back up their remarks.

An anonymous Adjudication Panel considers X's complaint against C and D, and dismisses it, on the grounds that:
... no evidence has been put before it!
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:51 PM
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Very quick summary:

Anonymous panel dismissed complaint (about actuaries making derogatory remarks without evidence) on grounds that no evidence exists.
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Sounds like X needs to sack up.
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Sounds like X needs to sack up.
Don't worry. He's working on a big scoop on what the mayor really did with the street repair money.

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Old 06-12-2012, 01:11 PM
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lawyer up, mr/s. X!!!! time to go get a settlement!
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Default Professional Embarrassment?

Doesn't this kind of disciplinary process strike anyone else as an embarrassment to the actuarial profession?

Clearly, we need discipline overseen, one would hope, by honorable members. But, if we can't get or expect that, then, perhaps, it is time to contract out the profession's discipline process to honorable outsiders - willing to personally stand by all of the decisions they make.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:26 PM
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Are you contesting that it's worse than the SOA's process?
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Are you contesting that it's worse than the SOA's process?
No, I didn't mean to imply that.

I meant that this is an example, in general, of the embarrassing actuarial professional disciplinary processes that I am familiar with. Embarrassing, certainly in many but not all situations.

Those processes would include what Actuary 21c is addressing in this thread as well as the ABCD disciplinary process which is part of the U.S. disciplinary process.

They are equally embarrassing.
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Doesn't this kind of disciplinary process strike anyone else as an embarrassment to the actuarial profession?
It sure does to me. Very definitely unprofessional.

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Clearly, we need discipline overseen, one would hope, by honorable members. But, if we can't get or expect that, then, perhaps, it is time to contract out the profession's discipline process to honorable outsiders - willing to personally stand by all of the decisions they make.
I agree, but this will not happen until donkeys fly and sing the "Hallelujah Chorus".
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I agree, but this will not happen until donkeys fly and sing the "Hallelujah Chorus".
I had best get cracking on their training, then
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