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Old 11-29-2018, 09:56 AM
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what really makes me mad is I was waiting to gain those extra DS skills in order to EVENTUALLY go the DS route-AND GET THE PAY INCREASE. So Now it's like they placed me there with the lower pay and in a sense pushed me back. Any thoughts there please...just stick it out and be happy to be DS or get out and look, bc frankly I'm insulted and feel like I'm being used. I make them look good now too
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what really makes me mad is I was waiting to gain those extra DS skills in order to EVENTUALLY go the DS route-AND GET THE PAY INCREASE. So Now it's like they placed me there with the lower pay and in a sense pushed me back. Any thoughts there please...just stick it out and be happy to be DS or get out and look, bc frankly I'm insulted and feel like I'm being used. I make them look good now too
If you had significant experience i would say that its reasonable to feel underpaid. It will be more difficult to get a higher paying job in DS without having a pretty strong applied background (especially in insurance).

You don't. I would work on getting that experience (at work or through online competitions) .

The comment on "making them look good" is pretty childish IMO.
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what really makes me mad is I was waiting to gain those extra DS skills in order to EVENTUALLY go the DS route-AND GET THE PAY INCREASE. So Now it's like they placed me there with the lower pay and in a sense pushed me back. Any thoughts there please...just stick it out and be happy to be DS or get out and look, bc frankly I'm insulted and feel like I'm being used. I make them look good now too
So it sounds from what you wrote like you think: 1.) your DS skills are light right now; 2.) you're underpaid for a DS; and 3.) you got moved into DS on their timetable and not your own.

Then:
1.) Forget about the timetable thing. You gain nothing from complaining about when the move happened.
2.) Actively increase your DS skills to the level you think appropriate.
3.) Stick around for a specific amount of time. (You need not tell your employer you've set a clock for your tenure there.)
4.) Work that plan. Bounce when your clock runs out. Ask the new employer for the salary you think you should get at that time, and don't bother letting your current employer make a counteroffer.
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My work is sadly not very data sciency. But they want me to contribute with data science, and I should mention I'm the only one who has this credential in my group (otherwise business analytics). Also, they leveraged my education. But I ended up with a just lousy title and no pay...not happy (they say that the data science role has opportunties for higher pay eventually...and I'm supposed to just accept that?)
Tell them that you want to solve higher value add business problems and submit a formal proposal. Upon successful completion, ask for a raise.
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Ok, can you please elaborate. First, they expect me to solve higher value add business (which is why they changed me...). Also, what do you mean by 'formal proposal' exactly-is that salary proposal, or project proposal? Do you mean that I would perform a great project and THEN ask for salary increase?
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Project proposal. Show your value, then you have a basis for wanting to be valued.

Are they giving you projects to work on, or are you identifying areas where your skills can be leveraged?
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Old 11-29-2018, 11:51 AM
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OP reminds me a bit of Sally Brown from A Charlie Brown Christmas

Sally Brown: All I want is what I have coming to me. All I want is my fair share.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgrD-8b53AM

maybe it isn't fair <insert AO fair ref here> to OP, but just giving my gut first reaction
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Ok, can you please elaborate. First, they expect me to solve higher value add business (which is why they changed me...). Also, what do you mean by 'formal proposal' exactly-is that salary proposal, or project proposal? Do you mean that I would perform a great project and THEN ask for salary increase?
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Project proposal. Show your value, then you have a basis for wanting to be valued.

Are they giving you projects to work on, or are you identifying areas where your skills can be leveraged?
Thanks, but I already showed value, which is why I am now a DS

They are giving me some work (want me to do even more DS things ofc) they know and understand my skills exactly, they didn't put me in this place by accident. But they should pay too...just saying
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If you had significant experience i would say that its reasonable to feel underpaid. It will be more difficult to get a higher paying job in DS without having a pretty strong applied background (especially in insurance).

You don't. I would work on getting that experience (at work or through online competitions) .

The comment on "making them look good" is pretty childish IMO.
it's not childish. Why else would they want to make me-the only one- a data scientist (and no money involved)? what coulld their objective be? I don't know to be honest. It can only be becasue they want the unit that I belong to (currently 2 people, me and manager) to be more ds focused. It helps them look good within the larger scope of the department. Trust me, it attracts attention when we can showcase the analytics. And frankly, without me, they have no one who can even claim as being a ds. Honestly I don't like it and was planning on switching to DS after a year. Now they are calling me a ds and this ruins my plan. B/c I wanted the raise too after a year. Frankly, thinking of not accepting the new title. Thanks.
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