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Old 11-22-2002, 02:34 PM
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In the early 1960s the second sense of hopefully, which had been in sporadic use since around 1932, underwent a surge of popular use. A surge of popular criticism followed in reaction, but the criticism took no account of the grammar of adverbs. Hopefully in its second sense is a member of a class of adverbs known as disjuncts. Disjuncts serve as a means by which the author or speaker can comment directly to the reader or hearer usually on the content of the sentence to which they are attached. Many other adverbs (as interestingly, frankly, clearly, luckily, unfortunately) are similarly used; most are so ordinary as to excite no comment or interest whatsoever. The second sense of hopefully is entirely standard.
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People who use "I" instead of me as the object when the object is a list of people.

"Please call John or I about this matter."

If it was just you, you would say "Please call ME." If you add John in, it's still ME!
Nearly as bad: Please call John or myself about this matter.
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People that nitpick over typos on an internet message board.
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People who use "I" instead of me as the object when the object is a list of people.

"Please call John or I about this matter."

If it was just you, you would say "Please call ME." If you add John in, it's still ME!
Nearly as bad: Please call John or myself about this matter.
Redhead covered that one.
People who only read the last post.
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Old 11-22-2002, 04:19 PM
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What about using "who" instead of "whom" when speaking? Does this bother anyone? Most of the time, I'll intentionally use "who" incorrectly just because I don't want to sound pretentious.
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I think it sounds a lot worse to incorrectly say "whom" for "who" than the other way around (for the pretension reason you mention), so if I'm not sure I'll err on the "who" side.
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I prefer to wait until someone's trying to demonstrate intellectual superiority before correcting his grammar.

1. "It's" vs "its."
2. Using "their" for a singular object, usually to avoid the "his," "her" or "his/her" issue.
3. Not placing comma before "and" in a sequence of three or more terms.

Now, I'm not one to go off on a rant or get into a huff about these mistakes, but they are just enough to get me peeved. Just wanted to get that straight. And I certainly have no time to bother to correct stuff here, unless ambiguity exists.

(lousy dyslexia)
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Old 11-22-2002, 04:45 PM
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Believe it or not, there's an m-w writeup on this issue [who vs. whom, since DTNF posted ahead of me] as well.

"It seems clear that the grammarians' rules have had little effect on the traditional uses. One thing they have accomplished is to encourage hypercorrect uses of whom <whom shall I say is calling?>. Another is that they have made some people unsure of themselves <said he was asked to step down, although it is not known exactly who or whom asked him -- Redding (Conn.) Pilot>. "
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3. Not placing comma after "and" in a sequence of three or more terms.
  1. ... red, white, and, blue?
  2. ... red, white, and blue?
  3. ... red, white and, blue?
  4. ... red, white and blue?
You want a comma after the "and"? Which is preferred then: 1 or 3?

I prefer 2
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Old 11-22-2002, 04:58 PM
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oops! Fixed now.
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